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Amiga Games and Productivity Applications Will Target Windows CE .NET
Microsoft.com
San Francisco, CA — March 12, 2002 — Amiga, Inc. announced the release and distribution of Amiga applications targeted at the Microsoft Windows CE .NET operating system. The applications will run on any of the range of Windows CE .NET-based devices including handhelds, smart phones, web pads, and set-top boxes.
Amiga has a rich history of gaming and multimedia and has been delivering rich, compelling applications since 1985. The new breed of Amiga applications have been written to run on the entire range of Windows Powered products including PDA’s, Cell Phones, and Set Top Boxes. Amiga provides a middleware portability layer, which allows Amiga applications to be written once and run across a range of Windows Powered devices without change. More than 100 applications will be made available initially and many more are being created by Amiga developers worldwide.
“We are pleased to be able to deliver content that is optimized to run on the Windows CE .NET Platform”, said Bill McEwen President/CEO of Amiga Inc. “Amiga developers are world renowned for their abilities to create amazing multimedia content with a small footprint. This gives us the ability to deliver a robust and exciting experience for even the smallest devices.”
“As the number and variety of small- footprint and mobile Windows Powered devices continues to grow, ISVs want to ensure that their applications are able to run on as many of these different devices as possible,” said Keith White, senior director of marketing for the Embedded and Appliance Platforms Group at Microsoft Corp. “Amiga Anywhere enables application developers to easily take advantage of the rich application and multimedia support in Windows CE .NET to write gaming applications that will run on a broad range of smart Windows Powered devices.”
Amiga for Windows Powered Products is expected to ship in April this year. More information can be found on the Amiga Anywhere web site at http://www.amiga-anywhere.com/.
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 7 of 83 | Posted by Tony Gore (24.27.253.39) on 14-Mar-2002 01:06:12 | LOL! Did anyone expect it to read any different? It does at least tell you at the bottom that it will also run on Linux, etc. Sure MS will promote it as something that looks like it's "Windows only", but that's ok, I guess. Once people get use to it and see that they can still have that same content with other operating systems, I think it will start to pay off for Amiga and even the AmigaOne (once it get's the Amiga Anywhere stuff) Maybe now Apple and other Linux distros will want to "partner" as well and get in on the action.
Hmmmm...cannot get to any of Amiga's sites right now...
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 12 of 83 | Posted by pteppic (62.31.64.2) on 14-Mar-2002 01:35:12 | In Reply to Comment 9 (coldfire):
You mean this? I cant remember where I found it :(
Pteppic
---------------
Microsoft Windows 98's secret:
Recently one of my friends, a computer wizard, payed me a visit.
As we were talking I mentioned having recently installed Windows 98 on my PC
and that I am very happy with this operating system. I also showed him the
Windows 98 CD, to my surprise he threw it into my micro-wave oven and turned
on the oven. Instantly I got very upset, because the CD had become precious
to me, but he said: 'Do not worry, it is unharmed.' After a few minutes he
took the CD out, gave it to me and said: 'Take a close look at it.' To my
surprise the CD was quite cold to hold and it seemed to be heavier
than before.
At first I could not see anything, but then on the inner edge of the central
hole I saw an inscription; an inscription finer than anything I have ever
seen before. The inscription shone piercingly bright, and yet remote, as if
out of a great depth:
4F6E65204F5320746F2072756C65207468656D20616C6C2C204F6E65204F5320746
F2066696E64207468656D2CDA4F6E65204F5320746F206272696E67207468656D20
616C6C20616E6420696E20746865206461726B6E6573732062696E64207468656D
'I cannot understand the fiery letters,' I said.
'No,' he said 'but I can. The letters are Hex, of an ancient mode, but
the language is that of Microsoft, which I shall not utter here. But in
common English this is what it says:
One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 13 of 83 | Posted by Joe "Floid" Kanowitz (64.24.65.62) on 14-Mar-2002 02:10:00 | It's as important to run on .NET as it is to run on classic Win32, but it does show the competition between MS's own initiative (and implementations like Mono) vs. Tao. I have a feeling VP is at a disadvantage here- if it runs as a layer on top of the CLR, rather as a language compiled for it (to a 'native' .NET binary), there's the performance hit of translating to the CIL ("Common Intermediate Language," basically .NET bytecode) and then the overhead of CIL translation to the host platform. This could give VP an undeserved reputation, if people use the .NET version and wrongly assume they're seeing VP's performance on the host processor of the device.
Of course, I'm talking out my posterior here, as I haven't read the .DOC. It may be that the whole thing runs alongside the CLR and just interfaces to it, or it may just be that the existing Elate runs on all WinCE host platforms as it is. ;)
In any case, if this *is* a port that runs above the CLR, the quick fix is simple enough- AmigaDE for .NET just needs to borrow a page from Transmeta's book, and 'adapt' to a user's needs by caching translated binaries to storage. Easily implemented, if it's not already- the trick is including it as default behavior, and determining how much space to waste on it.
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 20 of 83 | Posted by Arkay (198.133.202.18) on 14-Mar-2002 06:33:28 | Well. I don't really think it's a problem. Amiga Inc already run the DE player on Windoze. They are providing content, that is all. If they make enough money to support us (the ones who want the desktop OS), then it'll be a good thing for us.
Seems like you people think that AmigaOS has a chance against MS Windows. It just doesn't. This shouldn't hurt us in any way shape or form for the Desktop OS, at least not yet. If anything it's going to be what keeps the desktop OS going in the short term.
Long term MS may just say to Amiga "Hey, stop developing the desktop OS or we'll cancel you DE contract." and it will end there. I'd like to know the details of the partnership agreement to see if Amiga were smart enough to protect their "other" intellectual product.
If the desktop product ever becomes big enough to be considered a threat to MS and MS tried to pull the plug I'd imagine Amiga would tell them to jam it and continue to grow the desktop OS (for it to be big enough to compete it'd be financially viable to go it on their own).
For now this is the only way it was ever going to go.
What may be the unfortunate thing here is that Amiga programmers may be forced to take on the ideals of MS and that would be a shame. Lose the creativity and it's not an Amiga product to me, just more MS bloatware. Not that MS have ever forced developers to *their* standards before today.....
-Arkay.
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 21 of 83 | Posted by the man in the shadows (64.123.238.216) on 14-Mar-2002 06:45:29 | In Reply to Comment 12 (pteppic):
You forgot to include the last part of it:
...
It is only two lines from a verse long known in System-lore:
"Three OS's from corporate-kings in their towers of glass,
Seven from valley-lords where orchards used to grow,
Nine from dotcoms doomed to die,
One from the Dark Lord Gates on his dark throne
In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie.
One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them,
In the Land of Redmond where the Shadows lie."'
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 22 of 83 | Posted by EmGee (145.7.200.27) on 14-Mar-2002 08:10:10 | People, please !!
Can't you see that the future in the eyes of the current Amiga company is AmigaDE/AA, and NOT AmigaOne/AOS4.x . The A1/AOS4.0 are simply developed to keep the old community happy, and generate some money for AA developement.
The A1/AOS4.x combo will NEVER be the same like the classic machines ever were!!
Remember that the A500 sold several million times, I don't see that happen with the A1 or A2 (if that ever will happen).
Get over it, the current Amiga Inc. is something new and will have no connection with the classic series within a few months/years.
Ciao,
EmGee
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 26 of 83 | Posted by Special (212.54.196.245) on 14-Mar-2002 08:58:53 | Maybe this time m$ is busy enough with their xbox promotion and they just pushing contents to .net just to have more than their competitors and maybe the amiga name reminds somethink to pc users,BUT what it is going to happen if m$ see that the plans of amigainc is that they have a desktopOS for digitalhome etc???M$ doesn`t like to lose so i think they will do anything right or wrong to acquire or kill amiga when they will discover the deskOS,this is their politic and they have demostrated in the past with a lot of company`s,why the Amiga story is going to have a different politic from m$?
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 29 of 83 | Posted by Steven L. Croucher esq (195.157.159.28) on 14-Mar-2002 11:09:35 | This is great news. Amiga are officially a partner with the industry leader. It's not the end as some of you predict, in fact it could be a start on the road to recovery for the Amiga name and products. Just imagine Amiga software being on the install cd shipped with every WinCE device?
Forget teaming with Linux companies and talking of crushing "the evil empire," you have to side with the winners and the companies who really do have money to invest.
Steve
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 35 of 83 | Posted by SlimJim (130.235.59.132) on 14-Mar-2002 12:43:17 | At least we won't get any community morons accusing Amiga of "lying" in their
announcement this time - because this time it was Microsoft putting this snippet
of confirmation/information (I won't say "news") up on their webpage.
By the way, everyone are screaming about "Amiga in bed with M$"...?
The Amiga homepage is there to attract investors etc from outside the
community. If they were so intimately involved with the giant, don't you think
that they would put it up on the site with all the bells and whistles?
.
SlimJim
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 38 of 83 | Posted by José (193.136.227.205) on 14-Mar-2002 13:10:01 | In Reply to Comment 22 (EmGee):
SOME PEOPLE ASK WHAT'S THE PROBLEM? we already knew that. No you didn't. The way AA is being publicised on Microsofts site is that it's targeted to Windows only. Yes there's a little text in the end that says DE runs on Linux, but so what?! Its even seems another product. And given what the masses think and use, do you think they'll get a clue?! ahahah
Who cares right? We're here for the desktop, but this comment resumes, to me, the concern:
"People, please !!
Can't you see that the future in the eyes of the current Amiga company is AmigaDE/AA, and NOT AmigaOne/AOS4.x . The A1/AOS4.0 are simply developed to keep the old community happy, and generate some money for AA developement.
The A1/AOS4.x combo will NEVER be the same like the classic machines ever were!!
Remember that the A500 sold several million times, I don't see that happen with the A1 or A2 (if that ever will happen).
Get over it, the current Amiga Inc. is something new and will have no connection with the classic series within a few months/years."
THE MORE THINGS GO ON, THE MORE I BELIEVE THAT! IF THEY DON'T CONTINUE AMIGAOS IN THE CLASSIC DESKTOP WAY THEY ARE SIMPLE LIARS, AND DON'T HAVE ANY MORALITY AT ALL. Sorry for the Caps. What have they been promising or saying to the real Amiga Community?
Hey even if they continue AOS, but JUST towards their sole purposes (the sever for content that's been talked about) they're that. They'll win real enemies
if they do that. At least sell the AmigaOS to Hyperion. AHrgggsggggg******
AmigaOne? For what? To given them money that they'll use to promote/make windows only content? Or to abandon AmigaOS in the near future, and give us a layer or something with the same name like they were doing in the beginning?!
Don't get me wrong, these are just concerns at the moment. But it doesn't seem good. I for one won't be buying the AmigaOne until I know the future of AmigaOS. The ones that called me idiot for wanting to know that first now can better see the reason.
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 39 of 83 | Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi (62.142.130.12) on 14-Mar-2002 14:24:47 | In Reply to Comment 38 (José):
Sure, AmigaOS development will generate money for the DE/AA development ? I don't know if I should roll on floor and laugh or what :D Are you really saying that AmigaInc's only reason to *BUY* Amiga and start OS4 project was to get money for AmigaDE development ? Yeah sure... That's ridiculous claim. I'm sure that there would be millions of more easy ways to make much money than what you will get when you try to update AmigaOS and sell it to this small paranoid community. If guys in Amiga would not have any long term plans for Amiga and AmigaOS then why the hell they did buy Amiga ? tell me that. If you need some easy money then you sure don't buy company like Amiga, you don't need it then. Don't forget that they did *BUY* Amiga with lot's of money. Since Amiga Inc was founded they have sped big amount of money and they haven't even got that money back yet. They have to pay for developers etc. I'm sure that guys in Amiga inc do know that they will not get billions of dollars from sales of AmigaOS, not even close the amount they have already spended. No I don't think it's AmigaOS which will generate money for AmigaDE development. it's the AmigaDe which will generate money for AmigaOS development. AmigaDe is important for the Amiga because IT is what might bring them lot's of money, not AmigaOS. I really have to say that some people in this community are seriously paranoid. Those conspiracy theories are ridiculous. Atleast i do trust and believe in guys in Amiga inc. I think they are doing just great work.
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 40 of 83 | Posted by EmGee (145.7.200.27) on 14-Mar-2002 14:37:23 | In Reply to Comment 38 (José):
Jose & the rest of the Amiga Community,
Lots of people believed in the beginning when the new Amiga Inc. bought the Gateway Amiga mess that they would create another miracle machine that had an impact ala the A1000 back in 1985.
I even believe that Bill & Co wanted to achieve this too at the time they bought the Amiga name and other Amiga related stuff. But when they did a marketing research (they must have, or they are REALLY some ameteurs who don't know what goes on in the Real Business World (tm)), they came to the conclusion that if they wanted to make some money, they needed something NEW. The concept of a new Amiga ala the classic ones, would never work. They could've done it, but the time they could really sell it, it would be obsolete (hell, nVidea brings out a new GFX card every SIX months, there goes your AGA Super Duper+++ GFX chips). So they came up with this ADE, AA project.
But hey people, this concept of the Amiga Anywhere is theoratically really nice, especially for developers. And the Amiga name is still known to lots of people involved in the computer business who are older than 18 :)And gives them a smile for the memories back in the Golden Amiga Era.
So the attraction for old Amiga developers who want something else then programming for the Win/Console world is there (some clever thinking Bill!).
There's one problem though, Bill must have thought.... the Old Community (tm). But they don't give a rat's ass about Amiga Anywhere, Amiga DE or whatever it's called. They wanted their nextgen Amiga 9000, with a new absolute awesome world devestating GFX chipset, 24bit zillion channel 5.1 Dolby surround Sound Chips, a super power CPU @ 10GHz And with this computer they could blast the x86 world away. Keep on dreaming....
But developement costs money, LOTS of it. "So hey, to reach my goal (AA everywhere), I can make use of the old community, and give them a transitional phase and perhaps make some money from it" says Bill. "Let's invent the A1 and the nextgen AOS (4.x and beyond)"
"And let them smoothly (?) enter the AA world."
People, this will happen eventually (AOS5.0 with AA on top of it). And if they succeed in selling this AA concept to the world, who cares what OS you're running under it ???
As I said before, get over it. The new Amiga is the NOT A1, but the AA product.
I wanted too to return to the Amiga world (I left it in 1996), with a new super Amiga. But it isn't gonna happen.
So spread the word, Amiga Anywhere..... ;-)
EmGee
PS. I'm not an m$ advocate, but I live in the real world (tm).
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 41 of 83 | Posted by Anonymous (62.23.78.241) on 14-Mar-2002 14:47:58 | In Reply to Comment 40 (EmGee):
your story is quite interesting but I think YOU are dreaming.
Do you REALLY think that MS will let Amiga Inc. place their software "Anywhere" without trying to stop them ?
Do you REALLY think such a micro company as Amiga Inc. will tell MS what to do ? Won't it be the contrary ?
And what if, but I'm just dreaming of course, MS tells Amiga Inc. that to enhance their partnership about AmigaDE they must stop their "little" activities concerning AmigaOne/AmigaOS 4 ? That the only system that must run AmigaDE must be Windows and Windows CE ?
Is it still a dream or a nightmare ?
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 43 of 83 | Posted by EmGee (145.7.200.27) on 14-Mar-2002 14:53:15 | In Reply to Comment 39 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
Hey Mikka,
To reach your goal, you have to INVEST some money. It sometimes takes a while, and even makes you temporarily go another way (read A1, AOS), but keep in mind your original plan (read AA), the chances to succeed are significantly higher. So if the AA project pays off, they can pay the A1/AOS4.x++ development easily.
But hey, don't get me wrong. This my theory what's going on. I'm human too, and humans DO make mistakes sometimes....
EmGee
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 45 of 83 | Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi (62.142.130.12) on 14-Mar-2002 15:08:49 | In Reply to Comment 40 (EmGee):
Well I don't see it as black and white as you do. I do believe AmigaOne and Pegasos and so on. I'm sure we will get new Amiga, not only as a AmigaDe or AA, but Amiga as a both hardware platform.and AmigaDE which do complement each other. Some people like you say it will not happen, but i do believe it wil happen. We have now more than one small company working with next gen Amiga and i don't think it wil fail anymore. One way or another we will get new hardware and new OS. When we now get new hardware and os I don't believe Amiga will disappear as a hardwre platform in long time. I have used my current Amiga about 10 years and I have waited this new Amiga long long time. Why should I now suddenly stop using it just because AmigaDE is there ? I'm not going to do that, but i'm interested about AmigaDE and it's wery good it will be part of the AmigaOS. You said AmigDE will kill Amiga as a hardware platform and as a OS. I don't believe it. i think AmigaDE will give much more time for amiga as a platform and as a OS. I don't believe AmigaDE will replace windows linux or AmigaOS. it will complement those, it will same software to all of those. So if AmigaDE succeeds it will bring mainstream oftware to AmigaOS. Sure that will not kill AmigaOS, it will give lots of time for AmigaOS because then eg. I don't need to move eg Windows-PC. it will also give time for hardware and os development. I don't see any reason why current AmigaOS would disappear. I think we will get new Amiga as a platform. As you said even AmigaOS 5 is in AmigaIncs plan and as long as it can run AmigaOS software I'm happy. What the hardware will be i don't know. But I don't think we should worry about that now.
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 46 of 83 | Posted by EmGee (145.7.200.27) on 14-Mar-2002 15:27:18 | In Reply to Comment 45 (Mika Hanhijärvi):
I too believe there is new HW on the way, but it will never have the same impact as the A500 had. It will be for the niche market Amiga now is. Perhaps even attract some ex Amiga people. I'm thinking of 250K-300K people at the most!
The average Joe is happy with his PlayStation, xbox, nintendo or PC. You know why ? It's cheap, and it has the popular titles for it.
And hey, I do think the Hyperion guys are doing a terrific job with AO4.x
But it takes 100x the Hyperion crew and loads of money, to actually make a difference, and bring back the Amiga as a serious alternative platform for the average Joe.
And I personally don't think this is gonna happen. The world has changed too much for this (computer wise that is)
EmGee
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 47 of 83 | Posted by A (138.62.1.2) on 14-Mar-2002 15:37:35 | To José, EmGem, the rest:
THIS is how it is ;)
OS4 and AmigaOne are gapstop solutions to keep the community going until OS5.
OS4/AmigaONE will NOT be marketed towards anyone else than the community (who
would want an unsexy OS lacking much of the functionality ppl expect from a
modern OS, running on yesteryears hardware? Well, WE would, because we can
appreciate the elegance and userfriendliness and yesteryears hardware to us is
a big step forward from using hardware 2 decades old). OS4 is not the OS that
will expand the Amiga userbase. It's gapstop only.
And THIS is how it goes ;D
OS5 will expand the userbase. OS5 will be a totally new OS (as in rewritten from scratch). As it will be competing directly with Windows/MacOS it will have
to contain all the functionalities ppl expect from a modern OS. How do you
convince Microsoft to port Windows Mediaplayer? And what about a RealPlayer
port... well, we are getting it now, thanks to Amiga Anywhere. For us, the
community, Amiga Inc. is the devil incarnated as they failed to provide us with
the 68080 AAAA based wondermachine we "all" expected. For outsiders, seeing
Amiga mentioned with the likes of Sharp, Nokia and now Microsoft, Amiga might
appear to be a safe and sound company, a rising star on the otherwise
collapsing dotcom sky. With this heightened reputation and the increased
curiousity from big players, it WILL be easier to get the standards implemented
in OS5. With the success of Amiga Anywhere, more and more big players will code
their software for AA. And when it is coded for AA, it is coded for OS5.
So: we get all the standard software ported (and getting paid lisence fees for
it). The money is used building the core OS5, the finished product will arrive
somewhere in the period 2004-2005. It will be running on the most modern
hardware available, inside the sexiest designed "box" mankind ever saw. And it
will be advertised on all the TV channels in all the countries in all of the
world. And the commercial will contain the most beautiful logo we ever saw, with
"Amiga" written in JUST the right font. And and and...
Well, I might have gone just a little over the top here, but anyways, I think
Amiga's strategy is the right one. We won't get what we want just like that,
we need to think in bigger time frames. And that's what Amiga is doing. We will
have our OS5, I'm sure of it, just not instantly. And Amiga are not traitors
just because they have realized they have to choose an alternative route to get
to the goal.
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Amiga To Provide Content For Next Generation Windows CE .NET-Based Devices : Comment 48 of 83 | Posted by José (213.58.18.195) on 14-Mar-2002 15:38:53 | In Reply to Comment 40 (EmGee):
The ones that still actually wanted new custom hardware, given the real world like you say, are very few now. I just want new PPC hardware and AmigaOS for PPC.
Like I said, those are only concerns right now. Still I want to emphasize that I'M NOT AGAINST THE DE IDEA!
The only problem is that in the transition path you talk, about, wether it's really that or not, they have given the idea that the AmigaOne will be continued in the future, and that there will be hardware through 3rd parties etc. Also the AOS would continue. Remember that the community " would soon be rewarded" or something?
"People, this will happen eventually (AOS5.0 with AA on top of it). And if they succeed in selling this AA concept to the world, who cares what OS you're running under it ??? "
I do. And many do. Why da heck have we been hanging around in here for so much time?!
"...As I said before, get over it. The new Amiga is the NOT A1, but the AA product..."
Actually I think I overeacted. But given the name of the company they're dealing with you all of course understand. Macroshaft can easily manipulate them to stop AOS. You might find this odd, but I think there is a possibility that if this happened, Bill wouldn't do it. It sounds contradictory given what I said above, but, the thing is we just don't know. He seems to be an honest guy, so I don't wanna go around spreading falsities. I just said those were concerns.
"I wanted too to return to the Amiga world (I left it in 1996), with a new super Amiga. But it isn't gonna happen."
AmigaOne with ATI 8500, PPC 1.2GHz, or G51.6Ghz soon, who knows. Doesn't sound like a super Amiga? Expensive, some people say, but you only pay more for the motherboard and processor. IF you're a really Amigan you wouldn't care. If not, you'll leave the wagon at the first difficulty.
"So spread the word, Amiga Anywhere..... ;-) "
Well, believe it or not, when it is opportunistic I do sometimes.
"PS. I'm not an m$ advocate, but I live in the real world (tm)."
I wrotte nothing that would lead you to think I wanted a super custom new Amiga. AmigaOne and AOS for PPC is enouph for me, IF it lasts.
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