| [News] Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement | Link |
| Posted on 16-Apr-2002 12:04 GMT by Christian Kemp | 129 comments (82k)
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Add comment | | "tmo" quotes a message from Alan Redhouse, Eyetech CEO, taken from AmigaONE mailing-list and posted on AmigArt: "On ann and elsewhere there has been a lot of speculation about the nature of the ROM modifications to allow the A1-G3 (and any subsequent Amiga inc approved models) to run OS4+. As most people here will realise we have always declared that we want to use the official Amiga OS and for Hyperion and Amiga to have their just rewards for licencing the AmigaOne and OS4 products. [..]" |
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 106 of 129 | Posted by Phill (62.188.157.79) on 17-Apr-2002 16:37:07 | In Reply to Comment 82 (Allen):
> EPROM's yeah I'd agree but ROMs nope.
Do you know anything about electronics?
ROMS and EPROMS are functionally the same when reading, you can read them both really easy in an eprom programmer.
Someone will dump the ROM at some point so that the AmigaOne can be emulated.
The PlayStation 2 BIOS was dumped pretty soon after it was released in Japan.
Phill
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 110 of 129 | Posted by Björn Hagström (193.12.32.78) on 17-Apr-2002 16:49:54 | In Reply to Comment 108 (Phill):
>> And then if you want a hardware copy of it write the read contents down to
>> an EPROM/EEPROM or make new ROM of it (nothing you normally do at home
>> though ;)
>maybe not at your home. you can buy reasonably cheap eprom programmers, there
>is also a kit available which costs about 20 gbp.
Yes, I can see how what I said can be misunderstood. The parentesis is referring to making ROMs not burning EPROM/EEPROMs which is quite easy to do with medium skills.
Making silicon platters for ROM IC's and its packaging is a different ball park though, hence the parantesis.
(I made the parentesis so that I wouldn't get any replies about that, but I got that back at me didn't i ;)
/Björn
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 111 of 129 | Posted by Phill (62.188.157.79) on 17-Apr-2002 16:57:16 | In Reply to Comment 102 (Graham):
> Ah, so to pirate this $50 - $100 AmigaOS4, people are going to download the
> ROM images, get their EPROM burner, burn an EPROM, solder the EPROM to the
> correct traces on the motherboard ...
> Yes, possible. Likely, no.
Or you buy a board that has a flashrom instead and then update it with the AOS code. As long as they don't sell it programmed with illegal software there is nothing that you can do to close manufacture down. If your processor is socketed it makes it even easier as you just sit the rom between the processor and a standard motherboard, not much logic necessary to implement that.
If nobody is going to try to run AOS4 illegally then there is no point increasing the cost by trying to stop them.
You could argue that dreamcast with it's complete lack of protection was killed by software pirating & PSX, which requires a mod chip to play copies, managed to keep going for a lot longer. Unfortunately there are too many variations in the size of the two companies etc to make conclusions cut and dry.
CBM were in the best position as nobody could make Amiga compatible machines, even if the market had been big enough to make it worthwhile.
Phill
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 112 of 129 | Posted by Alkemyst (212.137.166.147) on 17-Apr-2002 17:30:46 | In Reply to Comment 61 (cheesegrate):
>>are u still waiting for the melancia torro you idiot? ;) ryan has proven to be a crazee freek...0
>>only eyetech has signed.
thanks cheesegrate for calling me names. & with doing things like this you dont help the MOS image.
anyway i was just repeating what was on the executive.update
i was not saying that because Merlancia was on the list thati thought Merlancia were Fact.
& im not waiting for Merlancia either im not intrested in Merlancia at all.
as im getting an Aone & Os4, so how will it matter to me if Merlancia are real or not.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 113 of 129 | Posted by Alkemyst (212.137.166.147) on 17-Apr-2002 17:39:03 | In Reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
well i cant help that IB uses MUI & many other progams i use also use MUI.
IB uses MUI, IB is not mui in its self.
IB the browser is good.
& its not an MUI browser. its a browser wich uses MUI GUI system.
i hope someone will write an reaction wrapper to make progam that use MUI use reaction instead.
my dislike for MUI is not enough to stop me useing the SW that uses MUI as the GUI.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 114 of 129 | Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion (134.58.253.113) on 17-Apr-2002 17:41:49 | Just for the record and because some people come up with the strangest stuff:
This "ROM" is just an extension of the OpenFirmware ROM.
It IS NOT a separate ROM which needs to be added to the board in addition to the OpenFirmware ROM.
It does not contain any critical code of the AmigaOS and cannot be compared in any way to a Kickstart in terms of functionality.
We are moving away from ROM based to a disk-based OS.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 117 of 129 | Posted by Johan Forsberg (217.215.39.153) on 17-Apr-2002 17:59:51 | In Reply to Comment 115 (Anonymous):
From the article all of this is about, trying RTFA. ;-)
[What exactly this new policy means]
- To put ROM extensions (ie dongle code) in the boot ROM, in addition to the regular boot code.
- To put this in hard-coded, *socketed* [my emphasis] ROM at a specific address in the PPC memory map, rather than in Flash ROM, which could easily be pirated/updated
So, BPlan must add a ROM socket before they can even apply to license OS4. Too bad.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 119 of 129 | Posted by Johan Forsberg (217.215.39.153) on 17-Apr-2002 18:06:42 | In Reply to Comment 117 (Johan Forsberg):
Though I realise just now, after rereading the facts for the fifth time that the demands on being socketed, mapped into a specific memory space and what not doesn't really mean it must be an additional chip.
It was just *really* easy to draw this conclusion from what Alan said.
Sorry Thomas, I'm eating humble pie right now :-)
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 126 of 129 | Posted by smithy (62.31.144.1) on 17-Apr-2002 21:48:41 | In Reply to Comment 97 (Ralf):
>No, Scheibler, he is right. MUI has a lot of design flaws, resulting in
>missing reactions of signals and no responses of the user interfaces while
>some calculations. This can not happen with the most other GUIs, including
>Reaction.
Yes, but BOOPSI allows user's code to be executed on Intuition's context. User code executing at a +100 priority! It's crazy - and if Reaction had any complex custom classes like MUI does, it would mean the entire UI would be locked up. If the user code did something dodgy then you have to reboot the system.
With MUI, object code is executed on the application's task at a normal application priority - yes, the app's GUI might fail to respond, but that is the application's fault for not using multi-threading.
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