| [News] Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement | Link |
| Posted on 16-Apr-2002 12:04 GMT by Christian Kemp | 129 comments (82k)
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Add comment | | "tmo" quotes a message from Alan Redhouse, Eyetech CEO, taken from AmigaONE mailing-list and posted on AmigArt: "On ann and elsewhere there has been a lot of speculation about the nature of the ROM modifications to allow the A1-G3 (and any subsequent Amiga inc approved models) to run OS4+. As most people here will realise we have always declared that we want to use the official Amiga OS and for Hyperion and Amiga to have their just rewards for licencing the AmigaOne and OS4 products. [..]" |
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 52 of 129 | Posted by KenH (194.125.172.51) on 16-Apr-2002 23:38:39 | In Reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
>Yes, just like Elbox, Eyetech and Merlancia.
But it looks like they refuse to accept that, well I want OS4 so no Pegasos for me anymore for now.
And I'm sure more will enter the fray. There should be alot of choice. Then Bplan will be the odd one out. Wonder why they don't want to sell more machines with (just)OS4 on them?
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 53 of 129 | Posted by logain (80.142.139.163) on 17-Apr-2002 00:07:51 | In Reply to Comment 47 (Amon_Re):
>Usually, in the PC industry, an OEM product will be cheaper then a boxed >version, in this case however, it won't be cheaper then a boxed version, as >there isn't a boxed version (yet?)
AmigaOS4 in a box (you opinion) or in a dvd-case (my opinion)? AmigaOS in it so called "OEM" version with case (my op.) or only the cd (yours)? Senseless to discuss about that. Althrough i'm not talking about the 5€UR you save when deliver without manual and case. I talking about the fact that when there are less people who can run AmigaOS4 in the end, there are less consumers for the AmigaOS4. And therefore it unlikely can be cheaper, its a hoax.
Besides: AKAIK OEM also means without support ;)
>Offering? They *ORDERED* one (as in buying), and if bPlan wants AOS, they can
>get an agreement with Ainc, just like anyone else
I choose offering, because the people behind bPlan knew quite well that Hyperion develops a rivalry product on their own hw. They allowed to develop and sell the AmigaOS4 on Pegasos machines, even in bundles. It the distributors choice, which OS he bundles. Pegasos will only ship to them with MOS (and this at a lower price then the AmigaOne without OS) and they can thrash MOS and bundle AOS if they want.
>>For Pegasos-interested users is the question: Will I buy a MOS/Pegasos
>>bundle as announced and then I am not allowed! (even without more expensive
>>upgrade kit with USB-Token or something like that) to use AmigaOS even if a
>>Pegasos-version is in existence. A lot of users are very frustrated because
>>of that new reality and i can assure you, that you already lost consumers
>>with growing numbers. Most Pegasos interests simply arent interested in the
>>licensed AmigaOne-MB.
>It's bPlan that's to blame here, not Hyperion
Why should I blame bPlan and not Hyperion. Hyperion said "any suitable hw" "pegasos" and now force bPlan to enter a license agreement.
Amiga Inc. said they wont kill the left HW/SW companies left on the Amiga but work together with them (think it was in one of the first four stunning executive announcements), now they want to kill them under the facade of ensureing support, copy-protection (hello why not a USB dongle?) and guess..price. I simply dont touch Ben Hermans bonbons. I want a solution which take aim at a good coverage. A lot of user want to use both OSes on both sides(some at a later time), why the hell are those people main part of the new struggle, with no doubt started by Amiga Inc. & Co KG.
>It's not just Hyperion's call, Ainc also has part in it
Ok, well.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 54 of 129 | Posted by Alkemyst (212.137.162.106) on 17-Apr-2002 00:17:00 | In Reply to Comment 51 (Anonymous):
>and if bPlan wants AOS, they can get an agreement with Ainc, just like
>anyone else
Yes, just like Elbox, Eyetech and Merlancia.
well that =3 firms so far, so if they signed whats stoping Bplan from signing.
i can understand ppl who wanted the pegasos & OS4 but because of the changes made by Amiga.inc
it seems atm they will not be able to.
but Elbox, Eyetech and Merlancia have NP with the changes, so why are Bplan haveing problems with them?
if Bplan had/ was going to sign the licence like the others, then the ppl wanting Pegasos
would not be moaning about anything.
this moaning about the Romprotection is an excuse.
its down to Bplan now to weather you see AmigaOs4 on the pegasos, you should be moaning that them not Amiga.inc.
just like Mediator owners moaned at Elbox for not signing the agreement & paying the for Warp3D drivers.
all the other amiga PCI busBoard makers had NP signing & paying the Warp3D drivers.
so i get the feeling that the ppl who want the pegasos think that Bplan will never sign for the licence, even tho signing would be the right thing to do.
but they dont care about that.
so they try to lay the blame at amiga.inc & hyperion cos blaming them is free & much easyer than trying to get Bplan to sign the licence.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 56 of 129 | Posted by Anonymous (80.79.97.5) on 17-Apr-2002 00:38:40 | In Reply to Comment 54 (Alkemyst):
In Reply to Comment 51:
>and if bPlan wants AOS, they can get an agreement with Ainc, just like
>anyone else
>Yes, just like Elbox, Eyetech and Merlancia.
>well that =3 firms so far, so if they signed whats stoping Bplan from signing.
They want push MorphOS, RS is connected to bPlan.
And that is a pitty for the enduser, when he wasn't connected to bPlan they could sell their machine also with OS4 as this would increase their sales IMHO.
Maybe a nice move would be to run MorphOS on the A1, then the MorphOS marktet could be larger in theory then OS4, when OS4 doesn't run on Pegasos.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 57 of 129 | Posted by Darrin (24.143.14.199) on 17-Apr-2002 00:51:28 | Before we all go on and on and on and on about the
merits of the dongle/ROM and it's effects on piracy,
just remember that it's not meant to prevent piracy...
it just meant to make it harder. We all know there
are a legion of people out there in cyberspace that
would be happy to get their hand on OS4, and even
happier to get it for free if it was a simple download
from a warez site. If they have to go to the trouble
of paying (even a small about) for a pirate dongle/rom
then they are more likely to just pay for the legal
OS4 original.
Another effect of this dongle/ROM is that vendors have
to agree to provide support - which is good news for
us, the consumers. It also shows that bPlan think
"customer support" is one of live's great evils as all
they have to do to get OS4 for their board is sign a
free agreement and implement a dongle/ROM solution.
Mind you, they also need to supply a working board to
Hyperion which Hyperion have to pay for... but even
this seems beyond their abilities.
IF, for example, a company (let's call them cPlan)
managed to get hold of a copy of OS4 that required no
agreement/dongle/ROM then perhaps their customer
support "help line" might look something like this:
User: I'm having problems setting up IBrowse on my
"Flying Unicorn PPC board" using OS4.
cPlan: Well you problem is that you're using OS4. We
recommend that you un-install it because it's so badly
written and use the wonderful MorphOS software
instead. Just return your OS4 IBrowse to where you
bought it for a refund and we'll sell you IBrowse for
MOS instead.
User: I'm having trouble installing "Diablo 2" on my
machine...
cPlan: That's because it was ported by Hyperion who
don't know anything. Oh, by the way, Hyperion wrote
that OS you're using too. What you need to do is
uninstall OS4 and install the much better MorphOS,
then return the game to Hyperion for a refund and
we'll sell you "Doom PPC for Morph OS" instead!!!
etc
etc
Of course, once the user base is more secure there's
nothing to stop Hyperion removing the need for this
anti-piracy check from future released - say OS4.3.
Right now we're taking the first steps down a very
long road and there's a lot of costs to recover. The
more proffit Amiga, Eyetech and Hyperion make now then
the more secure our OS will be further down the road.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 59 of 129 | Posted by Anonymous (80.135.74.39) on 17-Apr-2002 02:35:53 | In Reply to Comment 40 (Graham):
>I take it these pirates would mainly be using Pegasos', because everyone with
>an AmigaOne will have a legal copy of OS4. I also take it that you intend to
>be one of these pirates when it becomes available?
Yeah, me be 1337 c0d3R and 3V|L p1r4tE. Pegasos be natural born WareZ platform
and 1st choice for all k3wl CracKs and haX0rs!
*Harr!!* ;-D
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 60 of 129 | Posted by cheesegrate (210.49.47.165) on 17-Apr-2002 03:25:35 | In Reply to Comment 57 (Darrin):
> OS4 for their board is sign a
>free agreement and implement a dongle/ROM solution.
agreed though would u sign an agreement with someone that
was threatening to sue you?
>Mind you, they also need to supply a working board to
>Hyperion which Hyperion have to pay for... but even
>this seems beyond their abilities.
maybe if hyperion had something done for cyberstorm/amigaone to port first?
>IF, for example, a company (let's call them cPlan)
|>managed to get hold of a copy of OS4 that required no
>agreement/dongle/ROM
how would they do that? oh through hyperion...
>cPlan: Well you problem is that you're using OS4. We
>recommend that you un-install it because it's so badly
|>written and use the wonderful MorphOS software
>instead.
well it was started two years earlier so it will probably be
more stable and faster
> What you need to do is
>uninstall OS4 and install the much better MorphOS,
it will already be installed. ;) unless they merge..
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 61 of 129 | Posted by cheesegrate (210.49.47.165) on 17-Apr-2002 03:29:58 | In Reply to Comment 54 (Alkemyst):
>Yes, just like Elbox, Eyetech and Merlancia.?
are u still waiting for the melancia torro you idiot? ;) ryan has proven to be a crazee freek...
only eyetech has signed.
why would bplan want to put a special hardware rom in their machine and delay produciton when they have the superiour morphos solution that comes free and could even run on the amiga one unless the os4.0 rom BS locks it out.
as for amino they should compromise with thendic/bplan because this year they have really started looking like fools..
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 62 of 129 | Posted by cheeseegrate (210.49.47.165) on 17-Apr-2002 03:36:53 | In Reply to Comment 57 (Darrin):
>Just return your OS4 IBrowse to where you
>bought it for a refund and we'll sell you IBrowse for
>MOS instead.
this level of competition could happen but it's not currently. for one there will be no ibrowse for morph ;) look:
ibrowse for os4.0 voyager for morph
picasso96 for os4.0 cgfx for morph
wb/reaction for os4.0 mui for morph
warp3d for os4.0, somethingelse for morph
somethingelse for os4.0, subway usb for morph
+ AROS based code, AROS based code
so there is enough choice for consumers as well as competition i believe.
That is why we should decide whitch product suits us rather than a judge in frankfurt
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 69 of 129 | Posted by moobunny quote from neko (210.49.47.165) on 17-Apr-2002 04:53:48 | What I'm talking about is how when someone produces the product you always
wanted, and you love that product, so much that thousands of people buy it and
want to buy it, use it and want to use it in a PPC-optimized form.. and in the
next version up.. so much that they plead and whine and bitch even though it is
available since 26th October 2000 (the MUI 3.9 Public Beta has been running on
MorphOS) and then they plead and plead because it isn't running on AmigaOS 4.x
(which still doesn't exist anyway, so makes no difference..
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 72 of 129 | Posted by Amon_Re (212.239.163.95) on 17-Apr-2002 06:00:50 | In Reply to Comment 61 (cheesegrate):
>Posted by cheesegrate (210.49.47.165) on 17-Apr-2002 03:29:58
>In Reply to Comment 54:
>>Yes, just like Elbox, Eyetech and Merlancia.?
>
>are u still waiting for the melancia torro you idiot? ;) ryan has proven to be >a crazee freek...
>only eyetech has signed.
Have you asked this to Ainc? Or is this your own thinking?
>why would bplan want to put a special hardware rom in their machine and delay >produciton when they have the superiour morphos solution that comes free and >could even run on the amiga one unless the os4.0 rom BS locks it out.
You can not say wether or not MOS is better then AOS4, unless you can compare both, little hint, you can't compare them, they're not out yet ;)
>as for amino they should compromise with thendic/bplan because this year they >have really started looking like fools..
The whole community has been looking like fools, just read some of the posts here :)
Amon_Re
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 76 of 129 | Posted by Ben Hermans/Hyperion (134.58.253.113) on 17-Apr-2002 07:06:33 | In Reply to Comment 45 (logain):
Let's make one thing clear:
I think the Pegasos hardware is good if it does what it claims it can do.
But bPlan didn't "offer" us anything.
We ORDERED a Pegasos development board and didn't even get confirmation of our order or any subsequent info.
We're not getting it for free nor did we want that.
We still don't know if we would be able to get the documentation for it as bPlan has never said we would.
You need chipset documentation otherwise our work is a lot harder but maybe that was the idea.
I've seen enough logs and quotes from Ralph Schmidt about that which were sent to me by concerned users.
If, as you say, there is so much demand for the Pegasos and OS 4 (polls on Amiga-news seem to indicate otherwise but I won't put too much faith in polls), then this is the ideal situation for a dealer to step in, buy boards in bulk from bPlan, get them certified, get his dealership certified and then you'll have OS 4 on the Pegasos.
It really is that simple and an excellent business opportunity for any dealer out there.
Pure economics would dictate that bPlan would try to do this themselves but then we all know that there is some grudge match going on which seems to override normal business practises which center around maximising profit.
The problem is that bPlan is just like Apple: a hardware/software producer.
If they were a pure hardware company, they wouldn't have any problems with tapping into another market like OS 4.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 77 of 129 | Posted by DaveW (194.196.110.14) on 17-Apr-2002 07:38:49 | In Reply to Comment 60 (cheesegrate):
Adam.
Just because something is started two years ago does not mean that it is two years ahead. Not least
does it depend on when individual components were started, how much rework and how talented the developer
was but to say that there is a relationship between when something is started and its
final performance is a joke.
Air traffic control? NHS systems? Taxation systems? Hmmm.
Mind you I dont expect a sensible response from you so why did I bother?
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 79 of 129 | Posted by Ole-Egil Hvitmyren (129.241.172.103) on 17-Apr-2002 08:06:56 | In Reply to Comment 71 (Anonymous):
But IBrowse is just an application. And if he had to choose between two applications using MUI (V3 and IB) he would probably go with the one he dislikes the least :)
If MOS are using MUI to replace the old intuition.library. then that is a bit heavy for some of us. Under AOS you seem to get a bit more choice. At least that's what I _feel_, but since only women and sissies _feel_, who am I to speak, eh? :)
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 80 of 129 | Posted by Anonymous (217.28.129.175) on 17-Apr-2002 08:56:57 | In Reply to Comment 10 (Samface):
> 1. The licence is free of charge.
Get real. Of course there is a per board license fee payable to Amiga if the product is endorsed by them. Apart from the use of the name, by Amiga endorsing the product and certifying it as OS4+ compatible they are taking some considerable share of the responsibility of ensuring that it works properly. If it doesnt they will be jointly liable with the boards manufacturer and joined to the law suit. Thats what class actions are all about in the US at least.
Amiga (unless they are completely stupid) will want paying for this risk - and more than just that needed to pay their share of the product liability insurance premiums.
So my reading is that Eyetech have agreed to the fees, bplan have refused and are now moaning in public and Elbox and Matay are still thinking about it. I guess this makes the A1G3 even better value.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 81 of 129 | Posted by DaveW (194.196.110.14) on 17-Apr-2002 09:02:49 | In Reply to Comment 80 (Anonymous):
I couldnt find anything that backed this view up but I might be missing something.
My reading sayes that the intent is that the certification/approval exercise is free of charge
but the cost of the OEM copy of AOS4 is passed onto the customer as it should be.
As Ben sayes this is more enlightened than the way it was before C= ended because C= would
not agree to 3rd party hardware. The freedom is therefore greater in the marketplace.
Dave.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 82 of 129 | Posted by Allen (194.128.159.34) on 17-Apr-2002 09:08:24 | Erm...I don't think you can copy ROMs that easily.
EPROM's yeah I'd agree but ROMs nope.
You could mimic the output of the ROMs if you tried really hard.
ROMs are nothing like EPROMs. They are discreet devices, i.e. like the PPC, could you reverse engineer a PPC chip? I guess you could but it would be damned difficult.
Anyhow this was in reply to a very much earlier post so please ignore it! :)
Allen
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 85 of 129 | Posted by Graham (213.122.198.34) on 17-Apr-2002 09:55:22 | In Reply to Comment 68 (cheesegrate):
Reaction is a use of the standard BOOPSI Amiga GUI system, MUI isn't.
Hence in terms of Amiga GUIs, MUI is the bigger hack, technically.
And as has been pointed out to you many times before, MorphOS appears to be illegal in the eyes of many people, and if a judge decides that it is illegal, then it is illegal, and there is nothing that you can do to stop that. Maybe it is only a year or so of coding required to remove whatever is illegal from MorphOS though, so you can wait for your forever delayed MorphOS and Pegasos. Just stop trolling Amiga websites.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 86 of 129 | Posted by Björn Hagström (195.198.88.2) on 17-Apr-2002 10:29:33 | In Reply to Comment 82 (Allen):
A ROM can be copied. A ROM is basically just a read only RAM. ROM - Read Only Memory, RAM - Random Access Memory. The first step of copying a ROM is simply to read it's contents from the first to the last byte. And then if you want a hardware copy of it write the read contents down to an EPROM/EEPROM or make a new ROM of it (nothing you normally do at home though ;) And lastly get the software that needs it to read from the copied one instead by either use a pin compatible component or simply map it into the memory space it is required to be.
There is no hidden black box logic in a normal ROM.
/Björn
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 87 of 129 | Posted by logain (80.142.182.25) on 17-Apr-2002 12:04:18 | In Reply to Comment 76 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
I can understand your fear of being 'underdoged' on bPlans own hw because of the fact they also produce an Operation-System for the same market. But you also know that bPlan (founded by phase5 hw/sw engineers) fears that Amiga Inc. might try to take over their hw and letting the rivalry MOS die. And this situation didnt come up yesterday. This was quite clear, when Amiga Inc, H&P, Hyperion and others felt the decision to make OS4 instead of (desktop) AmigaDE somewhere between January and March 2001. And until now, user could buy the new Amiga! bundled with the OS and other 3rd Party Hardware can get OS4 as an upgrade (BPPC,CVPPC,Pegasos). For me due to a easter present from my distributor for 60€. Sure i would have taken it..but now?
I think instead forcing bundles with other 3rd party hw, it would be more helpful, and this is what i still cant understand, to make an agreement with bPlan, which ensures both sides to get dev-hw and documentations and to reciprocally insure, that they try to force the competitor out with nothing else then exclusive software products (no hacks, no fixed roms, not bundle own os with the other ones hw). This would help the amiga market to become more interesting for other people and inspire peace in the community. I think this is especially needed and I also think that the ppc-niche is the last chance for the Amiga-platform to get a foodhold.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 89 of 129 | Posted by MegaHurts (62.231.155.142) on 17-Apr-2002 12:54:01 | The real reason you won't be getting a Pegasos board with OS4 is cos BPlan wanna bundle it with Morphos. In that e-mail that was posted by (If I remember right) Bill Buck from Fleecy it said something like try and sell MorphOS and we will stop you/sue you. It sounds like MorphOS is illegal in the same way that Connectix Playstation emulator was illegal and Amiga Inc are rightfully going to try and stop it.
BPlan have the major sulks on now and are not letting anyone else play with their toys. The way most of the Pegasos supporters here post, you'd think they actually work for BPlan.
Anyway just to clarify, I think the Pegasos board looks great and I want one, Only if it comes with OS4 though. Prolly get an A1G3SE instead though as I don't think I can wait for the sulks to end.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 91 of 129 | Posted by ehaines (206.26.230.19) on 17-Apr-2002 13:05:29 | In Reply to Comment 57 (Darrin):
> User: I'm having problems setting up IBrowse on my
> "Flying Unicorn PPC board" using OS4.
Pedant alert: A pegasus is no "flying unicorn." Pegasi are horses that
have wings, but no horns. Just trying to stop this misconception which
seems to be getting more widespread.
Signed, Citizens Against the Pollution Of Mythology (CAPOM)
P.S. I never figured out why bPlan called their board "Pegasos," which
seems to be a misspelling unless I'm missing something....
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 94 of 129 | Posted by DaveW (194.196.110.14) on 17-Apr-2002 14:09:55 | In Reply to Comment 92 (David Scheibler):
> Bullshit
Are you describing what you are saying or saying that what the person told you was Bullshit?
OK. Ultra oversimplified:
Despite the fact that I think there is no need for that reaction I suggest you go read the documentation
on the AmigaOS development CD. You will find that extending BOOPSI is described as a more future proof
method than writing an entirely new UI system. If you have a problem understanding the concept
of a reuse framework then think about what MUI is.
If a new UI system is written from scratch then it wont be usable by existing applications
until they are built to use it.
If you upgrade the libraries that existing applications use or components within them
then all applications that use that library benefit.
Simple.
Dave.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 95 of 129 | Posted by Anonymous (195.38.100.106) on 17-Apr-2002 14:27:28 | To make a long story short... It smells like the Kernelwar again.
Can you remember? Ainc stated they won't support classic Amiga, there won't be new AmigaOS, there won't be a new hardware... Just re read the Executive Updates.
BPlan/MorphOS started to build a machine and an AmigaOS like operating system to fill the gap. Look around, and you'll find 'em sieged, pissed and almost killed even before they could sell a single board. AmigaONE development started way behind Pegasos. OS4 development started when there were running MorphOS betas out for the public.
Everyone decide for themselves... For me this ROM option absolutely fits to the way AmigaONE currently is with it's soldered, "you will never upgrade me without buying a new machine" CPU... I have some other good ideas to prevent Piracy and ensure that Ainc partners get their money: solder the Matrox GFX to the motherboard, sell it with a mouse that stings, or with a keyboard that strucks the user with 230V... No piracy problems anymore.
In my opinion this ROM, soldered CPU is a nightmare. Wake up, it's 2002, not 1985... Just let's imagine the following scenario. Pegasos and AmigaONE rolls out, like in war as enemies. A few years later bPlan signs a contract with Ainc. How will you make the older Pegasos boards compatible with this nightmarish OS? To make it [OS4] the way it should be...
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 96 of 129 | Posted by DaveW (194.196.110.14) on 17-Apr-2002 14:30:53 | In Reply to Comment 92 (David Scheibler):
> Bullshit
Are you describing what you are saying or saying that what the person told you was Bullshit?
OK. Ultra oversimplified:
Despite the fact that I think there is no need for that reaction I suggest you go read the documentation
on the AmigaOS development CD. You will find that extending BOOPSI is described as a more future proof
method than writing an entirely new UI system. If you have a problem understanding the concept
of a reuse framework then think about what MUI is.
If a new UI system is written from scratch then it wont be usable by existing applications
until they are built to use it.
If you upgrade the libraries that existing applications use or components within them
then all applications that use that library benefit.
Simple.
Dave.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 98 of 129 | Posted by Mika Hanhijärvi (195.148.82.17) on 17-Apr-2002 15:50:27 | I did just read what Alan sayd about this protection thing. I have to say I aggree with Eyetech and Amiga Inc guys. I think they have every right to protect OS4 against piracy. They have worked so hard that they have every right to do that. I have nothing against that protection system. I just hope that there wil be somekind of solution for those who want to run OS4 with current Amigas. I'm going to vuy AmigaOne + oS4 anyway so it's just good I get OS4 when I buy AmigaOne.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 99 of 129 | Posted by Anonymous (212.185.249.51) on 17-Apr-2002 15:54:02 | In Reply to Comment 76 (Ben Hermans/Hyperion):
>then this is the ideal situation for a dealer to step in, buy boards in bulk
>from bPlan, get them certified, get his dealership certified
Yeah, right...but where are those rich Amiga dealers who could do this?
For most (is there more than a dozen left worldwide?) this would be risky
business. That's why many dealers like AmigaOSXL package - no such hassle
and less investment involved to stock that product.
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Eyetech CEO clarifies AmigaOne/OS4 Announcement : Comment 100 of 129 | Posted by ian@home (213.206.132.19) on 17-Apr-2002 15:55:15 | In Reply to Comment 95 (Anonymous):
What the hell are you on about?
Just like you do with a PC after a few years when it becomes too slow, either bin it, put it in the spare room or trade it in/sell it. With a pc the board sockets change along with new versions of the X86 so they are not really CPU upgradable either.
Also, anyone who is moaning are the usually hardcore skinflints who expect to get a copy of OS4 for free, what is the big deal....BUY IT!
As for Bplan, they are welcome to get a FREE licence if they give their customers support etc. Is that really that hard? As for MorphOS let be honest. Its been done by using Amiga Inc IP (Petro source tapes etc) so Bill and co have every right to get it stopped if they want to.
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