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[Rant] Have I missed the window?Link
Posted on 11-Jul-2005 11:24 GMT by Brian Locus232 comments (168k)
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I've been following the developements of the new Amiga through a friend of mine who's rather fanatical about the system. For almost 5 years he's been trying to talk me into returning to the Amiga and buying one of these new systems, he's always filling me in on the newest issues of the day, and how the Amiga overcomes the problems being faced by a new system in todays world...

The newest problem he's explained to me, is that the hardware is no longer available. He says that the people selling the OS won't port the OS to an available platform untill somebody pays them to do so. Now, usually I take what he says with a grain of salt, but he's quite insistant that he's not misrepresenting this situation in any way. He says the only way the OS will be ever able to run on available hardware, is if the people selling that hardware pay for the port!

I can't believe what he's saying. It's too far fetched to think that hardware companies can be convinced into thinking they'll make any money from selling this OS with their hardware, if the OS developers themselves don't think keeping the OS available for sale on available hardware is worth it. It sounds to me like the developers don't believe their OS is marketable, and nobody will want to buy it, so it's not worth making it available anymore. Well, if that's what they think, why should the hardware companies think any differently?

Is this the end of the Amiga? Have I missed the window? Is the next company to inherit the OS going to fix this problem?

 Have I missed the window? : Comment 51 of 232
Posted by Matt Parsons (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 00:02:52
In Reply to Comment 49 (Matt Sealey):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
And Amiga Classic with a phase5 accelerator if you ask the developers very
nicely.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'd like MOS 1.4.5 on my BlizzPPC please :-)

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 52 of 232
Posted by Matt Sealey (24.155.47.248) on 12-Jul-2005 00:13:36
In Reply to Comment 51 (Matt Parsons):
developers this way --> irc://irc.freenode.net/#morphos

--
Matt Sealey
Genesi, Manager, Developer Relations

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 53 of 232
Posted by Bill Hoggett (82.152.179.89) on 12-Jul-2005 00:23:02
In Reply to Comment 37 (Don Cox):
" Go away and come back in 12 months time. Some things might be clearer then."

Now there's unbounded optimism for you.

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Posted by JoannaK (194.142.83.2) on 12-Jul-2005 00:25:24
In Reply to Comment 36 (Brian Locus):
There are simple and streight answers available for many questions ...

Unfortunately some people (like Sammy at this thread) try their utmost to cover up the sad truth. I don't really know why they keep on, cause there ain't anything worth the effort, most likely it's just the need of uphold the great illusion just for is own sake.. Livin in imaginary world, youknow?

I'd like to make similar recommendation as Don Cox wrote.. Wait a year and check what's cooking. At this point there is no need to rush and I'm sure byt the year it'll be a quite obvious who has read the situation correctly at this point.

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Posted by larf (128.241.111.216) on 12-Jul-2005 00:26:50
In Reply to Comment 54 (JoannaK):
Make that TEN years.

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Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 04:19:13
In Reply to Comment 48 (Paul Gadd):
>Forget about the Amigaone board. Alan Redhouse is a conman and a dirty crook, you only have to take a look at his past dealings to see what sort of monster he really is. Hyperion and Amiga Inc are just as bad.


Gawd dammit Paul! Just say what you think, don't hold back =)

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 57 of 232
Posted by elatour (24.157.22.172) on 12-Jul-2005 04:49:34
In Reply to Comment 19 (Matt Parsons):
True enough. However, isn't AROS more of an emulator rather a full OS though? Does it not run on top of Windows, which in turn limits what one can do to whatever Windows can?

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 58 of 232
Posted by Matt Parsons (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 07:13:07
In Reply to Comment 57 (elatour):
Um... AROS has nothing to do with Windows. It's probably a good idea to check out the AROS related Websites.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 59 of 232
Posted by koan (193.133.140.104) on 12-Jul-2005 08:13:24
In Reply to Comment 48 (Paul Gadd):
> Alan Redhouse is a conman and a dirty crook

Let's be really clear about why you post this.

Is it because of

a. the handling of the distribution of Amiga 1 boards
b. what happened with Articia
c. some personal issue

?

Anyway, I find it hard to accept your statement. I don't see how any businessman could have done things differently *and* have a business left at the end. Name calling doesn't get you anywhere. Unless you have something to back up your statement then it's just a case of mindless spleen venting, AKA trolling.

BBRV have had equal amounts of criticism due to their "unique" way of interacting with the Amiga community. However, if you just want to destroy everything Amiga then attack all businesses that are in any way related to it; just like you are doing now.

koan

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Posted by Kolbjørn Barmen (158.38.61.87) on 12-Jul-2005 08:33:38
In Reply to Comment 51 (Matt Parsons):
Be warned though, this most likely involves licking of boots and lots of groveling :)

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 61 of 232
Posted by JoannaK (194.142.83.2) on 12-Jul-2005 08:50:28
In Reply to Comment 55 (larf):
> Make that TEN years.

I tend to belive that one year is quite enough, because at that time final obsolence of OS4/A1 combo should hit even the most stubborn heads.

By that time all NextGeneration game consoles (Xbox360, PS3, Revolution) will be available for end users in mass volumes. With the same price as workin A1 (say about thousand USD) one is likely to get Full-featured high-power system, with *TEN* hit games (note1)and *Linux* (note2) ... And with Linux comes web surfirn, Amiga.Emu, Aros etcetcetc...

So.. My point is.. If these OS4/A1 related companies cant make their *miracle* recover in a next half-year they arent' ever going to have a ****ing chance ever gain popularity enough to justfy any further development.


Note1: See http://ps3.ign.com/articles/618/618430p1.html
Tittles like: Devil May Cry 4, Final Fantasy, The GetAway, Metal Gear Solid 4, Vision GT + N+1 licensed Sports/Extreme titles. There's similar news relating to Xbox360 but I don't know Xbox-games as well as PS-series so I'll rather not comment them.

Note2: At this point it's not yet 100% if PS3 will have Linux right out of the box or if one has to purchase it separately.. Anyhow.. It has full internet connectivity etc. features and a slot for 2.5" internal HD so IMHO it's only matter of time (months from release) before someone makes a 3rd-party Linux for it.

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Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 08:50:35
In Reply to Comment 60 (Kolbjørn Barmen):
>Be warned though, this most likely involves licking of boots and lots of groveling :)

I bet my right nipple that licking the boots only won't suffice... :o

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 63 of 232
Posted by Paul Gadd (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 08:53:28
In Reply to Comment 59 (koan):
Trying to destroy everything Amiga? talk about wild paranoia. Alan Redhouse has been proven time and time again to be a liar and a crook, you could smear all the proof in the faces of the obsessed Amiga people (see aw.net) but they still would defend and ignore everything what makes their crooked hero(es) look bad (they have proved that with the Amiga inc defending).




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Posted by Jupp3 (84.230.27.28) on 12-Jul-2005 10:04:09
In Reply to Comment 23 (takemehomegrandma):
>but a few people (listed below) decided to hurt Genesi and MorphOS in the worst possible way they had at hand; by making the whole affair a public concern instead of a private matter.

I always wondered if all people on that list were there by their own choice...

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Posted by Sammy Nordström (131.116.254.200) on 12-Jul-2005 10:38:12
In Reply to Comment 23 (takemehomegrandma):
I was not the one that mentioned or brought MorphOS.net into this discussion, I merely replied to Alkis seemingly irrational argument related to morphos.net while my besides the point mention of MorphOS was just that, besides the point. There really was no intent on my behalf to discuss anything related to morphos.net in this thread, my reply to Alkis was about Alkis flawed logic, nothing else.

Now please drop the discussion about morphos.net, it's really not relevant for anything in this thread. Thank you.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 66 of 232
Posted by Hot Rod (82.99.25.227) on 12-Jul-2005 11:31:03
In Reply to Comment 54 (JoannaK):
Why?

Well, AOS 4 is totally usable (yes, on the A1) and it is great fun. The problem is the hardware though.

The OS and the joy to use it couldn't be better IMO. The applications is another thing though (and that goes to MOS as well).

I don't regret buying my A1 XE though, AOS 4 is amasing and it runs very well on it. But yes, the hardware got a few problems and the price isn't the best.

But MOS? No I don't want a hacked up AOS from writers of Vapor (Voyager "team")..... AOS 4 is supported but talented writers and they've done a good job on it.

Sure the MOS-team has worked hard but this feels a bit like the dark and the light side (Star Wars... The force).

Those who writes MOS does it because they like AOS (or disslike the other OSs on the market) and wants something better. They do however hate Hyperion, Amiga, Eyetech and the users who buy their products. So I put them in the dark side.

The other side however loves AOS and supports its owners. They don't hate (the users) MOS, Pegasos or the users but thinks that the situation sucks.

Well... that sums it up at least and it isn't true for every user.

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Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 11:31:04
"Full-featured high-power system, with *TEN* hit games (note1)and *Linux* (note2) ... And with Linux comes web surfirn, Amiga.Emu, Aros etcetcetc..."

Linux is irrelevant. No Amiga user wants Linux as a substitute. It is a completely different kind of OS from the Amiga. And nobody really wants to run an emulator on top of a foreign GUI.

The competition is the Mac, and when Macs are on x86 the competition will be even stronger. This is where you find video editors, music composition tools, DTP, illustration, and all the other creative stuff that the Amiga was used for.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 68 of 232
Posted by Hot Rod (82.99.25.227) on 12-Jul-2005 11:31:16
In Reply to Comment 54 (JoannaK):
Why?

Well, AOS 4 is totally usable (yes, on the A1) and it is great fun. The problem is the hardware though.

The OS and the joy to use it couldn't be better IMO. The applications is another thing though (and that goes to MOS as well).

I don't regret buying my A1 XE though, AOS 4 is amasing and it runs very well on it. But yes, the hardware got a few problems and the price isn't the best.

But MOS? No I don't want a hacked up AOS from writers of Vapor (Voyager "team")..... AOS 4 is supported but talented writers and they've done a good job on it.

Sure the MOS-team has worked hard but this feels a bit like the dark and the light side (Star Wars... The force).

Those who writes MOS does it because they like AOS (or disslike the other OSs on the market) and wants something better. They do however hate Hyperion, Amiga, Eyetech and the users who buy their products. So I put them in the dark side.

The other side however loves AOS and supports its owners. They don't hate (the users) MOS, Pegasos or the users but thinks that the situation sucks.

Well... that sums it up at least and it isn't true for every user.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 69 of 232
Posted by ChrisH (82.71.2.6) on 12-Jul-2005 11:44:34
JoannaK seems rather pessemistic, while Sammy seems a bit optimistic. Frankly I don't think that EITHER should be able to claim to "know the truth" with certainty, since there is so little info to go on. IMHO it's simply best to "wait and see".

By the time OS4 is officially finished & released (e.g. by end of this year - probably!), we should have seen at least one new batch of Micro A1s, if Eyetech can be relied upon - and if not, then we should rightly consider Eyetech as a dead-end; most probably Hyperion would too, so they'd hopefully switch to their backup plan (which has been kept secret so far)...

Thanks to Amithlon, I can afford to wait a while longer, and keep munching that popcorn :-)

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Posted by hooligan/dcs (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 11:49:53
In Reply to Comment 68 (Hot Rod):
>Those who writes MOS does it because they like AOS (or disslike the other OSs on the market) and wants something better. They do however hate Hyperion, Amiga, Eyetech and the users who buy their products. So I put them in the dark side.

Classic stuff. Keep'em coming :)

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 71 of 232
Posted by Oppressor (84.167.56.3) on 12-Jul-2005 12:05:20
In Reply to Comment 67 (Don Cox):
> Linux is irrelevant. No Amiga user wants Linux as a substitute. It is a completely different kind of OS from the Amiga. And nobody really wants to run an emulator on top of a foreign GUI.

I'm rather amazed that there are still Amiga users who do NOT use Linux as their main or secondary desktop OS. People who care for games, ease of use and multimedia within the reach of a mouseclick have had their opportunity since years with the mainstream systems -- hardly any user in the truest sense would have been able to resist the temptations. :-)

There is hardly any chance for a serious Amiga user (leave alone developers) to be unadept in the use of Unix systems and software; are there even pure Amiga users left, besides a few graphic-centric people at aw.net? Most people from my surrounding are now using Linux or BSD beside their Amigas, or they use Unix-like desktops exclusively, even at their jobs (me included). What other options do computer-literate people have?

> The competition is the Mac, and when Macs are on x86 the competition will be even stronger. This is where you find video editors, music composition tools, DTP, illustration, and all the other creative stuff that the Amiga was used for.

Perhaps we can agree on that your perspective is at least as distorted as mine.

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Posted by Tryo (80.145.215.71) on 12-Jul-2005 12:16:34
In Reply to Comment 71 (Oppressor):
A very short-sighted, ignorant and arrogant comment.

Well done!

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 73 of 232
Posted by Oppressor (84.167.87.215) on 12-Jul-2005 12:28:49
In Reply to Comment 72 (Tryo):
> A very short-sighted, ignorant and arrogant comment.

Unlike yours, which is just short, ignorant and arrogant. :-)

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 74 of 232
Posted by Sammy Nordström (131.116.254.198) on 12-Jul-2005 12:52:10
In Reply to Comment 69 (ChrisH):
100% Agreed. Regardless of what, the beauty of the AmigaOS4 licensing scheme and the work done on AmigaOS4 by Hyperion is that the AmigaOS is no longer tied to any specific hardware device. Politics may be preventing the AmigaOS4 from ever running on the Pegasos, but who says the Pegasos would be the only solution? Hardware is a commodity these days. They come and go in generations and different flavors, passing the torch of the next best thing(tm) from one to the other in very short periods of time.

Hyperion has invested quite alot in the AmigaOS4 project, I'm quite sure they will find a solution if a problem of no hardware would arise. Until then, there really is no for us to try to make a backup plan for them.

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Posted by Tryo (80.145.215.71) on 12-Jul-2005 12:58:43
In Reply to Comment 73 (Oppressor):
I hope you are able to see where your comment is flawed.

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Posted by Oppressor (84.167.87.215) on 12-Jul-2005 13:02:10
In Reply to Comment 75 (Tryo):
> I hope you are able to see where your comment is flawed.

No, could you help me please?

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Posted by T_Bone (68.191.112.144) on 12-Jul-2005 13:42:08
In Reply to Comment 74 (Sammy Nordström):
> the beauty of the AmigaOS4 licensing scheme

Oy Vey

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Posted by brotheris (212.59.0.29) on 12-Jul-2005 13:42:36
In Reply to Comment 66 (Hot Rod):
You are so funny. Shame you don't know how much.

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Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 13:54:32
In Reply to Comment 71 (Oppressor):
"I'm rather amazed that there are still Amiga users who do NOT use Linux as their main or secondary desktop OS. "

When I start up a Linux, it just looks like Windows or worse. I see start menus, task bars, and all the other Windows-style crap. The directory system, with about five names endlessly repeated, is bizarre. Linux has its uses, but it is hardly a replacement for an Amiga.

Windows wins on having plenty of programs, including newer version of Lightwave than the Amiga. But using it is a nasty experience.



I do use a Linux-based firewall.

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Posted by Jupp3 (84.230.27.28) on 12-Jul-2005 14:01:24
In Reply to Comment 79 (Don Cox):
>I see start menus, task bars, and all the other Windows-style crap.
...
>I do use a Linux-based firewall.

You use Linux with "Windows-style crap" as firewall?

You do know, that you wouldn't even need graphical user interface on such computer (and maybe even not GFX card) if you use it only as firewall, of course

And that's the beauty of Linux, everything is configurable. If you don't like "Windows-style crap" just remove it.

Note: I know that many of the things I mentioned can be done with AmigaOS (and many other OS'es aswell) but that's not the point. What I tried to say was simply "Don't judge OS by its default settings (if the settings can be changed)"

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 81 of 232
Posted by Christophe Decanini (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 14:17:12
In Reply to Comment 68 (Hot Rod):
"But MOS? No I don't want a hacked up AOS from writers of Vapor (Voyager "team")..... AOS 4 is supported but talented writers and they've done a good job on it."

Voyager is mainly Oliver Wagner. As far as I know he did not participate in MorphOS development.
If you refer to David Gerber his main accomplishment has been Ambient.
Ambient is open source. It is well designed (object oriented and offer great room for improvement) and the code is pretty clean. Granted that Ambient is young and missing some important features. If it was really a reason not to use MorphOS you could always replace it with Scalos which offer more than the Workbench you use on OS4.

"Those who writes MOS does it because they like AOS (or disslike the other OSs on the market) and wants something better. They do however hate Hyperion, Amiga, Eyetech and the users who buy their products. So I put them in the dark side."

And what do you do with all the "reds" who continuously bashed MorphOS since it has been released ?

"The other side however loves AOS and supports its owners. They don't hate (the users) MOS, Pegasos or the users but thinks that the situation sucks."

Yes, right, they are angels. I have an email from an Hyperion developer addressed to me who said that all MorphOS users were bad fanatics etc.

It is not as simple as you imagine, there are good developers on both side, there is bad blood between some of the devs from the two sides, there were childish "Project manager" wars from the both sides etc. Now it seems that some end users like to keep the fight going with posting comments such as yours.

There is nothing to fight over anymore as there are very few sales to make with the current state of the Amiga community user base.
The only thing people should thing about would be to use the solution they choosed (or even better use and benefit from both if they can)and find out how they can help the developement of the applications they need (and the better option would be to do it in a way it supports all the community).

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Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 14:18:45
In Reply to Comment 66 (Hot Rod):
"The OS and the joy to use it couldn't be better IMO. The applications is another thing though (and that goes to MOS as well)."

That's why I keep banging on about improving compatability. A lot has been done, but some major fixes are needed.

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Posted by Don Cox (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 14:25:58
In Reply to Comment 80 (Jupp3):
"You use Linux with "Windows-style crap" as firewall?"

Smoothwall just has a DOS-style interface, which is fine for that kind of job.

I cannot see myself using a Linux machine as a studio-style computer to replace an Amiga.

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Posted by Oppressor (84.167.87.215) on 12-Jul-2005 14:27:14
In Reply to Comment 79 (Don Cox):
> When I start up a Linux, it just looks like Windows or worse. I see start menus, task bars, and all the other Windows-style crap. The directory system, with about five names endlessly repeated, is bizarre. Linux has its uses, but it is hardly a replacement for an Amiga.

This sounds resigned, like you made yourself comfortable in defiance already. You do have some options. There's no need for the default looks of a default window manager of an average distribution to let you down; you could at least allow it the same chance as you did when you were unhappy with the default looks or preinstalled tools on your Workbench. The net is full of weird crap and funny concepts to play with.

Apart from that, I agree, it's not a replacement. I don't like Linux as I liked the Amiga. It's just that we are running out of options. It's degrading into a cult, into conservation. My Amiga hardware is aging, and the next-generation Amigas can only conserve the stagnation or slow down the demise. At what price? We're now divided into several sub-critical masses too feeble for self-sustainment, leave alone for innovation.

I need the stuff from other platforms to an increasing degree for getting even the most basic work done. Amiga on Linux would've been a way out of the misery into a future, where we could've built on achievements from both worlds... but digging luxury graves on the PPC graveyard was seemingly more important for too many.

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Posted by Christophe Decanini (Registered user) on 12-Jul-2005 14:37:35
In Reply to Comment 84 (Oppressor):
"Amiga on Linux would've been a way out of the misery into a future, where we could've built on achievements from both worlds..."

AROS hosted.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 86 of 232
Posted by Sammy Nordström (131.116.254.197) on 12-Jul-2005 15:36:02
In Reply to Comment 77 (T_Bone):
Please... Don't give me that "The AmigaOS4 licensing scheme prevents AmigaOS4 from running on hardware X" Seehund-like crap. Here's the deal:

No license agreement = no possibility of ever doing anything unless authorized by the owner of the intellectual property (ie Amiga Inc.). This is as restrictive it can ever get.

A license agreement = A defined set of permissions *granted* (NOT revoked) by the owner of the intellectual property.

All this nonsense about the AmigaOS4 licensing scheme preventing the AmigaOS4 from running on hardware X is a laughable (but mostly annoying) matter. A licensing scheme grants permissions, not revokes. Now that should be the end of the discussion about the AmigaOS4 licensing scheme. No more snide remarks, no nothing.

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Posted by T_Bone (68.191.112.144) on 12-Jul-2005 15:41:21
In Reply to Comment 86 (Sammy Nordström):
> Please... Don't give me that "The AmigaOS4 licensing scheme prevents AmigaOS4 from
> running on hardware X" Seehund-like crap. Here's the deal:

You sure read a lot into "Oy Vey" :-D

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Posted by T_Bone (68.191.112.144) on 12-Jul-2005 15:44:00
In Reply to Comment 87 (T_Bone):
Anyways, Seehund was right, everything he warned could happen due to the details of the license, have happened.

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Posted by Bill Hoggett (82.152.179.89) on 12-Jul-2005 15:48:34
In Reply to Comment 86 (Sammy Nordström):
" All this nonsense about the AmigaOS4 licensing scheme preventing the AmigaOS4 from running on hardware X is a laughable (but mostly annoying) matter. A licensing scheme grants permissions, not revokes. Now that should be the end of the discussion about the AmigaOS4 licensing scheme. No more snide remarks, no nothing."

LOL!

You forgot the "no bullsh*t", but then you'd have had to delete most of what you wrote too.

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Posted by jaeson koszarsky (69.162.25.19) on 12-Jul-2005 16:32:50
If you want to explore the AmigaOS and can't find new/used hardware, then try AmigaForever on a PC. You'll save money on hardware, be able to exploit the benefits and agonies of both worlds. You can't run AOS4 yet with AmigaForever but you can't get it yet anyway for real Amigas, new or classic.

Maybe the best thing for Amiga to do is steer away from relying upon custom hardware. Make the OS hardware independent and start with the most common, off-the-shelf pieces available. AmigaForever is about the closest thing you can currently get that will do this.

www.amigaforever.com

cya,
Jaeson K.

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Posted by JoannaK (194.142.83.2) on 12-Jul-2005 16:46:49
In Reply to Comment 69 (ChrisH):
I try to see this all in a relation to Real World. In my comment I was talking about reasonably realistic possibilities of them having *Commercial* OS with reasonably wide userbase so that upcoming dewvelopment can be financied by OS/HW sales. And that's not looking too good...

At the same time I *do* know there are few hundred people apparently quite happy with whatever they have got from Hyperion/Eyetech so far, and I'm in no position to tell that they can't feel that way. *BUT* .. Novelty of runnign OS alone runs thin quite soon, and those Decade old classix-Amiga apps aren't competetive today.

In my point of view.. this system has problem on finding it's spot in market. It's not Retro or Hitec enough or to justify it's selling as an uber-geek-tool (Jeri's C-one is a good example of those), nor it does offer good enough experience for competing todays Personal computer...

And yes.. I didn't mention MorphOS/Pegasos on my earlier comment, but I don't expect Mos to do much better (due essentially same reasons) even thouh Pegasos 2 is definitely nice hardware.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 92 of 232
Posted by Anonymous (82.134.54.59) on 12-Jul-2005 17:09:58
In Reply to Comment 65 (Sammy Nordström):
ofcourse its rellevant , non idea why you said that.

morphos developers left a website to show that they didnt get paid + uncovered all the shit which was going on behind closed doors, sure one can say its unetical to do so but who cares? we all know now that it was just an illusion that BBRV had the money after he litterally stole all the money from that french company.

but sure its not relevant for an user who is considering dooing an update to an pegasos because he only need's to know that there is hardware out there.

if he wanted OS4 then he would want an Amigaone but sure yet again its not relevant to know that the stock of AmigaOne's is sold out atm.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 93 of 232
Posted by Sammy Nordström (131.116.254.200) on 12-Jul-2005 17:13:56
In Reply to Comment 89 (Bill Hoggett):
No bull. Look up license in a legal dictionary or whatever, it's simply impossible for a license to revoke permissions since you would have to be granted a permission first and permissions are granted through license agreements. Think of it what you like, it's a matter of fact.

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Posted by Anonymous (82.134.54.59) on 12-Jul-2005 17:14:26
In Reply to Comment 90 (jaeson koszarsky):
lol what an stupid thing to say.

first of all OS4 is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay ahead of AmigaForever which is just UAE with os3.x and that's it.

its pretty obvious that you have never touched Morphos nor AmigaOS4 at all since you're trying to fish with such an statement.

Also OS4 does run on Classic's so i really don't know what you have got into your belly today.

Morphos also run on classic's though last time i saw that was like quite a few years ago.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 95 of 232
Posted by T_Bone (68.191.112.144) on 12-Jul-2005 17:21:13
In Reply to Comment 90 (jaeson koszarsky):
> Maybe the best thing for Amiga to do is steer away from relying upon custom hardware.

Sometimes it's frustrating, but when someone gets it, it makes all the aggrivation worth it. :-)

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 96 of 232
Posted by Anonymous (70.66.117.188) on 12-Jul-2005 17:25:31
In Reply to Comment 95 (T_Bone):
> Sometimes it's frustrating, but when someone gets it, it makes all the aggrivation worth it. :-)

That doesn't really make sense.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 97 of 232
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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 98 of 232
Posted by Sammy Nordström (131.116.254.200) on 12-Jul-2005 17:47:25
In Reply to Comment 88 (T_Bone):
What "happened" because the license agreement is AmigaOS4. It wouldn't even have existed without it. Seehund really has no clue about anything.

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 99 of 232
Posted by pixie (193.137.77.47) on 12-Jul-2005 19:34:13
In Reply to Comment 86 (Sammy Nordström):
So why all these talks on Licensing OS4 when is already known they don't want to license it to anyone else but eyetech... at least they could be sincere from day one, instead of pretending they really care about having in other hardware beside AOne, an inferior, underspecced *hardware* by any price/ratio you can get...

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 Have I missed the window? : Comment 100 of 232
Posted by T_Bone (68.191.112.144) on 12-Jul-2005 19:41:22
In Reply to Comment 96 (Anonymous):
> That doesn't really make sense.

What doesn't? Someone "got it", it makes the effort arguing with Sammy pay off.

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